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		<title>HD Photo Now JPEG XR</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back in March I mentioned that Microsoft is trying to standardize it&#8217;s HD Photo format as the official successor to the ever so popular JPEG format. Well it&#8217;s now looking to become JPEG XR. Suprisingly it&#8217;s still not listed on &#8230; <a href="http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2007/12/02/hd-photo-now-jpeg-xr/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in March I <a href="http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2007/03/08/hd-photo/">mentioned</a> that Microsoft is trying to standardize it&#8217;s HD Photo format as the official successor to the ever so popular JPEG format.  Well it&#8217;s now looking to become <a href="http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9810024-39.html">JPEG XR</a>.</p>
<p>Suprisingly it&#8217;s still not listed on Microsoft&#8217;s <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/interop/osp/default.mspx">Open Specification Promise</a> where Microsoft lists things it won&#8217;t sue over.  Hopefully they will update that soon.  My understanding from what I&#8217;ve read is that&#8217;s the intent.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pretty interesting thing going on.  Video on the web has improved by leaps and bounds over the years from a tiny grainy video object that took a decade to load, to instantly loading and still improving quality Flash / Windows Media / QuickTime.  Photos on the other hand have been using JPEG for pretty much a decade.  Most photography buffs don&#8217;t seem to fond of JPEG because it can degrade picture quality, but still love services like Flickr.</p>
<p>Will JPEG XR spark a photo revolution by allowing better quality?
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		<title>HD Photo Follow Up</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few days ago I mentioned there are some limitations with HD Photo in it&#8217;s current state. The limitations are in the legal sense. Specifically they prohibit open source implementations. This obviously hinders adoption as many large organizations that work &#8230; <a href="http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2007/03/11/hd-photo-follow-up/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few days ago I <a href="http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2007/03/08/hd-photo/">mentioned</a> there are some limitations with HD Photo in it&#8217;s current state.  The limitations are in the legal sense.  Specifically they prohibit open source implementations.  This obviously hinders adoption as many large organizations that work with graphics rely on open source software (think where we would be without <a href="http://www.boutell.com/gd/">GD</a> or <a href="http://www.imagemagick.org/">ImageMacick</a> among many others).  Bill Crow responded <a href="http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2007/03/08/hd-photo/#comment-126142">on my blog</a> that it is royalty free in &#8220;all cases&#8221;.  Great news.  He then goes on to say:</p>
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That’s why we announced we’re committed to standardization. Once standardized, the goal is that the appropriate standards organization would then own the format and would publish a full specification. This would allow developers to create their own implementations independent of working with our source code in the DPK, with the option of releasing their implementation as open source.
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<p>Awesome.  This does leave the question: why not release the DPK, specifically the encode/decode and push to get it in every popular graphics package.  The blog has a <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/billcrow/archive/2007/03/11/microsoft-officially-announces-hd-photo.aspx">new post</a> that states:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://blogs.msdn.com/billcrow/archive/2007/03/11/microsoft-officially-announces-hd-photo.aspx"><p>
Now we&#8217;re taking the next big step.  Our goal is to turn the format over to an appropriate standards organization.  Ideally, this will include the publishing of an open specification, making possible to implement compatible encoders and decoders that are completely independent of Microsoft&#8217;s reference source code.  This should fully address any concerns that have been raised about the option for open source implementations.
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<p>That sounds promising.  I guess time will tell.  That leaves the door open for a browser like Firefox to eventually support HD Photo should it catch on.  Who knows, perhaps we&#8217;ll all look at JPEG the way we look at 3½-inch floppy disks.
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		<title>HD Photo?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 03:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Microsoft is trying to standardize it&#8217;s new HD Photo (aka Windows Media Photo) format. In general the format sounds pretty decent (though I&#8217;ve yet to see it and really compare). From the site: Multiple color formats for display or print &#8230; <a href="http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2007/03/08/hd-photo/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&#038;articleId=9012518">Microsoft is trying to standardize</a> it&#8217;s new HD Photo (aka Windows Media Photo) format.  In general the format sounds pretty decent (though I&#8217;ve yet to see it and really compare).  From <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/xps/wmphoto.mspx">the site</a>:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/xps/wmphoto.mspx">
<ul>
<li>Multiple color formats for display or print</li>
<li>Fixed or floating point high dynamic range, wide gamut image encoding</li>
<li>Lossless or high-quality lossy compression</li>
<li>Extremely efficient decoding for multiple resolutions and sub-regions</li>
<li>Minimal overhead for format conversion or transformations during decode</li>
</ul>
<p>HD Photo delivers a lightweight, high performance algorithm with a small memory footprint that enables practical, in-device encoding and decoding. HD Photo delivers image quality that is comparable to JPEG-2000 and more than twice the quality of JPEG.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Now that does sound pretty good.  According to the ComputerWorld article there will be support for Adobe Photoshop CS2 and CS3.  So what&#8217;s the catch?<br />
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<p>The license itself seems to specifically exclude open-source licenses.  This means many products like Firefox would have trouble supporting it without a closed source plugin to handle it.  From the <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=285eeffd-d86c-48c3-ab93-3abd5ee7f1ce&#038;displaylang=en">porting kit license</a> (emphasis mine):</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=285eeffd-d86c-48c3-ab93-3abd5ee7f1ce&#038;displaylang=en"><p>
* You may include the Distributable Code or modified Distributable Code in source code form solely as a component of a reference design or development kit for third party device hardware. Your reference design or development kit <em>must be protected by a license that prohibits further distribution of Distributable Code or modified Distributable Code, unless your licensee has obtained such distribution rights from Microsoft.</em></p>
<p>* You may permit distributors of your Licensed Products to copy and distribute the Distributable Code as part of your Licensed Products, <em>provided that your distributors are legally prohibited from modifying, and do not modify, the Distributable Code and/or the Licensed Product in a manner that causes the Licensed Product (or any third party product in which the Licensed Product is incorporated) to become non-compliant or incompatible with the HD Photo 1.0 file format (a.k.a. the Windows Media Photo 1.0 file format) as defined in the specification(s) provided in the software.</em></p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>* require distributors and external end users to agree to terms that protect the Distributable Code at least as much as this agreement; </p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>* modify or distribute the source code of any Distributable Code so that any part of it becomes subject to an Excluded License. An Excluded License is one that requires, as a condition of use, modification or distribution, that</p>
<p>  * the code be disclosed or distributed in source code form; or</p>
<p>  * others have the right to modify it.
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<p>Well, I&#8217;m no lawyer, but that pretty much rules out any open source implementation.  I don&#8217;t think there are any licenses that would meet these requirements.  This license is for the porting kit.  </p>
<p>Now what does that mean for websites like Wikipedia, or even Flickr who have good reason to want to share photos on the web?  Even to convert from HD Photo to JPEG would require proprietary software.  They also couldn&#8217;t do things like resize images, crop etc. on the server side with an open source product.  We also know the web and photos are very a very popular couple these days.  Obviously any sucessful photo format will need to be web accessible.</p>
<p>Interestingly the <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/billcrow/default.aspx">HD Photo Blog</a> uses PNG rather extensively rather than JPEG (for obvious reasons).  I&#8217;d be curious to know what they expect to see from the open source community.</p>
<p><strong><ins>Update:</ins></strong> See <a href="http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2007/03/08/hd-photo/?preview=true#comment-126142">the comment below</a>.</p>
<p><del>But wait, there is a <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/billcrow/archive/2006/06/30/651898.aspx">curious note</a> on the blog.  As far as I can tell it&#8217;s still relevant (if anyone knows better let me know):</del></p>
<blockquote cite="http://blogs.msdn.com/billcrow/archive/2006/06/30/651898.aspx"><p>
<del>Windows Media Photo is royalty-free …</del></p>
<ul>
<li><del>Windows Media Photo is royalty-free …</del></li>
<li><del>until 2010.</del></li>
<li><del>after Microsoft’s related patents expire.</del></li>
<li><del>for any software product that runs on a Microsoft operating system.</del></li>
<li><del>when implemented as a component of XML Paper Specification (XPS.)</del></li>
<li><del>for the first 50,000 units shipped each year.</del></li>
</ul>
<p><del>For units in excess of 50,000 per year, for non-Microsoft OS or non-XPS implementations, after 12/31/2009 and before the Microsoft patents expire, the following royalties apply:</del></p>
<ul>
<li><del>$0.05 per unit, -OR-</del></li>
<li><del>$50,000 per year for the entire company,  for all products.until 2010.</del></li>
<li><del>after Microsoft’s related patents expire.</del></li>
<li><del>for any software product that runs on a Microsoft operating system.</del></li>
<li><del>when implemented as a component of XML Paper Specification (XPS.)</del></li>
<li><del>for the first 50,000 units shipped each year.</del></li>
</ul>
<p><del> For units in excess of 50,000 per year, for non-Microsoft OS or non-XPS implementations, after 12/31/2009 and before the Microsoft patents expire, the following royalties apply:</del></p>
<ul>
<li><del>$0.05 per unit, -OR-</del></li>
<li><del>$50,000 per year for the entire company,  for all products.</del></li>
</ul>
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<p>So I ask&#8230; what are the odds of this succeeding as a successor to JPEG?
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