Comments on: Opera’s Evangelism

By: Marko

Marko — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:28:05 +0000

Opera is best, “F word” all the rest.

I try all browser on market and i dont now why are IE 1st and FireFox 2nd i just dont get it ?????

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Best of Week (+/-) #13 | Insel der Engel' — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:04:37 +0000

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By: Jesse Ruderman

Jesse Ruderman — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:21:17 +0000

Flenser, that’s pretty much what http://reporter.mozilla.org/ is. The “Report a broken website” command in Firefox’s Help menu opens a wizard that lets you submit things to that site. The site just needs to be a little easier to search.

By: Daniel

Daniel — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:04:45 +0000

Richb: Do you know what Silverlight is? It’s a plug in. It’s not built into IE, you install it. And it’s cross platform, it runs in Firefox, Safari, Opera and IE. Nokia are even releasing it for Symbian.

Mozilla has a strong web applications platform, especially since now it provides offline web application support. Look at http://labs.mozilla.org for other applications, such as Prism and Weave that bring the web to the desktop.

By: zbraniecki

zbraniecki — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:03:12 +0000

As great as it is, please bear in mind that it’s EXACTLY a copy of what we were doing in Mozilla (and even before that Netscape did)

The recent version of the email template (localized) is here http://www.mozilla.org/project.....tters.html

In most cases we were suiting the email to the problem and attaching a proposed solution.
That’s also exactly the method used by osiolki.net portal where people from different projects cooperate on evangelising web standards.

So… cool that they picked it up

By: Flenser

Flenser — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:13:56 +0000

Why not try pull instead of push. Mozilla, Opera & the IE team could each have a site/web page for looking up compatibility reports for a website. Then it would become standard practice for (good) webmasters to visit those sites to check for problems. (They could also perhaps subscribe to RSS updates or have them emailed to the web address of their choice, turning pull into push, but on their terms.) If the databases were public, so anyone could see the reports for any website (or at least the gross statistics) then maybe it might shame some sites into doing something about it instead of thinking that no-one really knows how little care is take with their site. Maybe it would be better to look for trends such as the same issue being repeatedly reported and not getting fixed as the gross number of reports could just mean that the site is popular. There could even be be an addon for scoring how well the current site/page deals with reports, that might be useful when picking among competing services, like a banking website for example.

By: Richb

Richb — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:02:36 +0000

Forget it. You’ve won the standards war. Everyone will be compliant within a year. Now you’ve got to win the innovation war. MS are putting their “innovation” into Silverlight — and if the Operas and Mozillas of the world don’t have an answer to the “innovation” in Silverlight, then you’ve lost.

Will video, audio, animation, flexible (homogeneous) controls and fast scripting be ready in the browser before they’re ready in Silverlight? Doesn’t look like it from where I’m standing.

By: Doron

Doron — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:15:49 +0000

Back at Netscape, that is exactly what we did as part of the Evangelism team. Having to fix other people’s code can be quite frustrating, but you do learn a lot from doing it.

Sending out fixes to websites sometimes worked, the usual response was “not enough marketshare”. Surprisingly, most emails received some answer (might have had to do with the fact that Netscape was a well known name). Of course today life should be easier since standards-based browsers are quite popular compared to back then.