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		<title>By: Jessica @ Jacksonville 4G Wireless</title>
		<link>http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2008/06/15/redefining-broadband/comment-page-1/#comment-1142414</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica @ Jacksonville 4G Wireless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello there, just browsing for information for my Jacksonville 4g website.  Lots of information out there.  Not quite what I was looking for, but very nice site.  Have a great day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello there, just browsing for information for my Jacksonville 4g website.  Lots of information out there.  Not quite what I was looking for, but very nice site.  Have a great day.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave M.</title>
		<link>http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2008/06/15/redefining-broadband/comment-page-1/#comment-348215</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I misread the story. I thought you were saying that the FCC was changing the definition of broadband &quot;TO&quot; 200kbps. This revelation makes me feel a little better about the FCC. I really thought that they were trying to extend the stats on broadband.

My parents have a 768kbps connection to the internet and I consider that broadband. However, I would prefer a minimum of 1mbps.

Sorry, I really need to reread stories that surprise me to make sure I&#039;m surprised for the proper reasons. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I misread the story. I thought you were saying that the FCC was changing the definition of broadband &#8220;TO&#8221; 200kbps. This revelation makes me feel a little better about the FCC. I really thought that they were trying to extend the stats on broadband.</p>
<p>My parents have a 768kbps connection to the internet and I consider that broadband. However, I would prefer a minimum of 1mbps.</p>
<p>Sorry, I really need to reread stories that surprise me to make sure I&#8217;m surprised for the proper reasons. <img src='http://robert.accettura.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave M: Back when they decided on 200kbps, it was broadband.  The reason for keeping is partially that, and partially that changing things causes political conflicts (telco&#039;s have lobbying powers).  The data above is using 2Mbps.  Presumably at 200kbps it would still be pretty bad since in the US is generally all (cable, DSL, FiOS) or nothing (56k).  Your either way over or under.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave M: Back when they decided on 200kbps, it was broadband.  The reason for keeping is partially that, and partially that changing things causes political conflicts (telco&#8217;s have lobbying powers).  The data above is using 2Mbps.  Presumably at 200kbps it would still be pretty bad since in the US is generally all (cable, DSL, FiOS) or nothing (56k).  Your either way over or under.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave M.</title>
		<link>http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2008/06/15/redefining-broadband/comment-page-1/#comment-347705</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the reason for selecting 200kbps a broadband speed to make our country look like we have a large population of people using the Internet at broadband speeds? I mean as it is, we are pathetic compared to Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the reason for selecting 200kbps a broadband speed to make our country look like we have a large population of people using the Internet at broadband speeds? I mean as it is, we are pathetic compared to Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2008/06/15/redefining-broadband/comment-page-1/#comment-347619</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jmdesp: 

You can&#039;t really go by people per [city/town/village].  If anything you need to do people per sq mile.  It&#039;s a relative term.

&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_area&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Urban&lt;/a&gt;&quot; is defined by Wikipedia as : An urban area is an area with an increased density of human-created structures in comparison to the areas surrounding it.  

A town with 30,000 people likely isn&#039;t considered urban.  Maybe if it&#039;s in a small enough area.  Many office complexes hold more than 30,000 workers.  Most sports stadiums hold in excess of 40k.  30,000 people is not much.  If it&#039;s in a few city blocks, then yes it&#039;s urban.  If it&#039;s spread over vast farmland, then no, it&#039;s not urban.

Otherwise why not say Wyoming is urban with it&#039;s 522,830 (2007) population.  Wyoming is a geographically and politically a specific location with a population.  No different than a municipality, or providence in another country.

It&#039;s about density.

The other problem you run into is where does the urban area around a city end.  Is NJ a suburb of New York City or Philadelphia?  Where do you draw the line.  Where does the population fall?  In the map I included it&#039;s one solid urban block.  In reality some parts are very rural, but the map&#039;s resolution doesn&#039;t show that.

One can also say if NYC is urban, you can&#039;t possibly consider places like Cleveland, Houston, and Jacksonville to be &quot;urban&quot; or even true cities because by comparison they are just too small, sparsely populated and spread out.

The UN collection of census data is really about as good as you&#039;ll get.  That&#039;s why it&#039;s cited pretty much everywhere.

For the purpose of the discussion, what really matters is how the country views it&#039;s population density, and how it addresses the deployment of broadband.

It&#039;s obviously relative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jmdesp: </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t really go by people per [city/town/village].  If anything you need to do people per sq mile.  It&#8217;s a relative term.</p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_area" rel="nofollow">Urban</a>&#8221; is defined by Wikipedia as : An urban area is an area with an increased density of human-created structures in comparison to the areas surrounding it.  </p>
<p>A town with 30,000 people likely isn&#8217;t considered urban.  Maybe if it&#8217;s in a small enough area.  Many office complexes hold more than 30,000 workers.  Most sports stadiums hold in excess of 40k.  30,000 people is not much.  If it&#8217;s in a few city blocks, then yes it&#8217;s urban.  If it&#8217;s spread over vast farmland, then no, it&#8217;s not urban.</p>
<p>Otherwise why not say Wyoming is urban with it&#8217;s 522,830 (2007) population.  Wyoming is a geographically and politically a specific location with a population.  No different than a municipality, or providence in another country.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about density.</p>
<p>The other problem you run into is where does the urban area around a city end.  Is NJ a suburb of New York City or Philadelphia?  Where do you draw the line.  Where does the population fall?  In the map I included it&#8217;s one solid urban block.  In reality some parts are very rural, but the map&#8217;s resolution doesn&#8217;t show that.</p>
<p>One can also say if NYC is urban, you can&#8217;t possibly consider places like Cleveland, Houston, and Jacksonville to be &#8220;urban&#8221; or even true cities because by comparison they are just too small, sparsely populated and spread out.</p>
<p>The UN collection of census data is really about as good as you&#8217;ll get.  That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s cited pretty much everywhere.</p>
<p>For the purpose of the discussion, what really matters is how the country views it&#8217;s population density, and how it addresses the deployment of broadband.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s obviously relative.</p>
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		<title>By: jmdesp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmdesp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one point, at first sight some of your numbers above seemed really strange, yes switzerland probably has more  people in the countryside than belgium but a ratio of twice more people in cities in belgium ?? I&#039;ve been in both countries and this *cannot* be right. And Japan as having only 66% of it’s population in an urban setting ?! No way that&#039;s correct !

So I did a little research and first some of your numbers not what I find myself, the official number for Japan is 78%, second you&#039;d better be wary even of those official numbers ! Every country has a very different way of counting.
Japan cheats to lower it&#039;s percentage by saying that if your town has less than 30 000 residents, then you&#039;re not living in an urban environemment. 
But Denmarks cheats the very opposite way by saying that if your village has 200 inhabitants, hey, hey it&#039;s definitively urban you know !
See the reference to this here :
http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa060997.htm

But we&#039;re still left with the Belgian case which sets the minimum at a quite honest 5000, but somehow gets an almost world record 97% urban population. I know the country and there&#039;s *no* *way* it&#039;s possible. 
Well I think I can guess how they get that non-sense number. It&#039;s that the whole country is divided in only 589 municipalities.
So very likely as soon as the village you live in has been administratively merged to a municipality of more than 5000 people, Belgian counts you as urban population !

&quot;Lies,damned lies and statistics&quot;, that saying hasn&#039;t aged a little !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one point, at first sight some of your numbers above seemed really strange, yes switzerland probably has more  people in the countryside than belgium but a ratio of twice more people in cities in belgium ?? I&#8217;ve been in both countries and this *cannot* be right. And Japan as having only 66% of it’s population in an urban setting ?! No way that&#8217;s correct !</p>
<p>So I did a little research and first some of your numbers not what I find myself, the official number for Japan is 78%, second you&#8217;d better be wary even of those official numbers ! Every country has a very different way of counting.<br />
Japan cheats to lower it&#8217;s percentage by saying that if your town has less than 30 000 residents, then you&#8217;re not living in an urban environemment.<br />
But Denmarks cheats the very opposite way by saying that if your village has 200 inhabitants, hey, hey it&#8217;s definitively urban you know !<br />
See the reference to this here :<br />
<a href="http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa060997.htm" rel="nofollow">http://geography.about.com/lib.....060997.htm</a></p>
<p>But we&#8217;re still left with the Belgian case which sets the minimum at a quite honest 5000, but somehow gets an almost world record 97% urban population. I know the country and there&#8217;s *no* *way* it&#8217;s possible.<br />
Well I think I can guess how they get that non-sense number. It&#8217;s that the whole country is divided in only 589 municipalities.<br />
So very likely as soon as the village you live in has been administratively merged to a municipality of more than 5000 people, Belgian counts you as urban population !</p>
<p>&#8220;Lies,damned lies and statistics&#8221;, that saying hasn&#8217;t aged a little !</p>
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